(Part I)
Jan 22 08:44:53 neuron food supply ... Jan 22 08:44:55 sandalle benoit, btw, do you have a howto for your generation scripts? Jan 22 08:45:06 benoit sandalle: yep. i posted in on sm-dicuss Jan 22 08:45:27 benoit maybe i should post it on the wiki as well ? Jan 22 08:45:39 sandalle benoit, all documentation should be on the wiki as well. :) Jan 22 08:45:55 benoit ok. Jan 22 08:45:58 sandalle If no other questions for the ISO? Jan 22 08:46:51 vlaaad hmm... Jan 22 08:48:04 afrayedknot ... Jan 22 08:48:06 sandalle Thanks for the info benoit, hopefully we can get a meeting together later this week with the rest of the ISO Team Jan 22 08:48:15 benoit btw, i should have welcome youpi_ which I invited to this meeting, so that he could see an open source projetcs from the inside Jan 22 08:48:28 benoit sandalle: yep Jan 22 08:48:29 sandalle benoit, all the fun parts of development. :) Jan 22 08:48:31 sandalle welcome youpi_ Jan 22 08:48:34 youpi_ yes thank you benoit Jan 22 08:48:39 vlaaad sandalle : sorry to talk again about that, but I didn't remember what you told about integrating beta-testers in the ISO-team ?? Are you for or against ?? I want to precise that it must obviously not exclude the other volunteers ;-) Jan 22 08:48:46 youpi_ hi all :)), i was reading the meaating Jan 22 08:49:20 sandalle vlaaad, I'm against having a separate team for it, but if you want a subsection of the ISO Team for "Testers" that'd be fine Jan 22 08:49:43 sandalle Now onto the Web/Tome Team Jan 22 08:50:05 sandalle The main item on their list is a new website. Jan 22 08:50:13 sandalle Adam, if you'd like to chime in on your thoughts for this? Jan 22 08:50:24 Kinetix Certainly... Jan 22 08:50:46 Kinetix though, first off, I think I've fixed the bugzilla charting bug... we'll know in about 48 hours if it's working properly again or not Jan 22 08:51:01 Kinetix Anyhow, on to the new website stuff. Jan 22 08:51:21 sandalle Kinetix, thanks. :) Jan 22 08:51:52 Kinetix The first thing I intend on doing is to try and get feedback from people in SM-Discuss about what they like in a website - I want things like examples of their favourite other distro's websites, and what makes that website 'good'... Jan 22 08:52:50 Kinetix While that sort of thing is going on, I plan on getting an 'alpha' new site together to see if we can integrate everything together that we need and/or want Jan 22 08:53:31 Kinetix I think our website can be a lot more cohesive than it currently is, offer a lot of new features both for users and developers, and probably look a little more unified. Jan 22 08:54:57 sandalle Kinetix, any plans on using the work from http://www.sourcemage.net/? I believe we were looking at Drupal earlier, but are not set on using it if something better comes along. Jan 22 08:55:06 Kinetix I think that long the way, we'll also try and exploit people's marketing knowledge to help us present ourselves better Jan 22 08:55:47 neuron I think, that it would be good if it looked more 'live'. Some news-like column perhaps Jan 22 08:55:53 Kinetix sandalle: Very familiar with that setup, though unless I'm missing something it's just a basic drupal setup. It's missing a lot of work not only in apparent functionality but in design and layout. Jan 22 08:56:22 neuron However I'm not sure what to put into the news ... Jan 22 08:56:33 Kinetix I think we definitely will have to move to some sort of CMS, but what CMS is completely up in the air at the moment. Jan 22 08:56:40 sandalle Kinetix, it is, but I figured I'd bring it officially up. :) Jan 22 08:57:28 * simanyay (~simanyay@195.69.190.22) has joined #smgl-admin Jan 22 08:57:40 rycee Kinetix: Midgard seems like a quite cool CMS. I never managed to get it up though :-/ Jan 22 08:57:42 simanyay so Jan 22 08:57:46 Kinetix So the basic plans at the moment are to get quickly organized on where we want to go with it, and start implementing. Jan 22 08:57:54 sandalle Kinetix, I believe people want news, forums, mailing list, wiki all in one Jan 22 08:58:14 simanyay have you looked on cmsmatrix and cmslist? Jan 22 08:58:16 Kinetix sandalle: I think those are the absolute basics we'll be striving for. I envision a fair bit more. Jan 22 08:58:16 * johnnyi7 (~kvirc@12-207-139-9.client.mchsi.com) has joined #smgl-admin Jan 22 08:58:29 Kinetix simanyay: I'm very familiar with those, yes. Jan 22 08:58:40 Kinetix rycee: Don't think I've looked at that one. Jan 22 08:58:50 simanyay and what did you choose> Jan 22 08:58:51 sandalle Kinetix, should we go for the basics first and then expand, or make sure what we choose will work for all that we want? Jan 22 08:58:52 simanyay ? Jan 22 08:59:04 sandalle simanyay, we haven't chosen yet Jan 22 08:59:05 rycee Kinetix: It uses an Apache module and some C libraries as well so it might not be easy to install on computers that isn't under complete control. Jan 22 08:59:20 Kinetix I guess I should point out that I've had a fair bit of experience with a number of CMS systems, so I've already got some opinions on what might possibly work for us, and which I don't like at all. Jan 22 08:59:20 sandalle rycee, we have complete control of our server now. :) Jan 22 08:59:36 rycee Cool. Jan 22 09:00:01 simanyay do we have a some sort of a list? Jan 22 09:00:08 sandalle well, Kinetix has complete control. ;) Jan 22 09:00:13 Kinetix rycee: ah yes, I have looked at that... looks a fair bit more involved that what I'd like, but I won't fully discount it yet. Jan 22 09:00:29 Kinetix simanyay: Some sort of list of what? Jan 22 09:00:39 simanyay of suitable CMS Jan 22 09:01:03 rycee http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ Jan 22 09:01:42 sandalle ahh yes, and themable. :) Jan 22 09:02:01 Kinetix simanyay: Not really.. I don't think 'what cms' is really of much concern to most people. The thing is finding out what we *need*, and finding a cms that not only fits those needs, but is also relatively easy to add on to ourselves, work with, theme, etc. Jan 22 09:02:18 sandalle Kinetix, correct Jan 22 09:02:44 sandalle RSS of news and updated/fixed/added packages would be nice as well Jan 22 09:03:08 simanyay ok so we need: 1. skinable 2. wiki support 3. forum support? 4. rss 5. new and blogs Jan 22 09:03:08 simanyay something else? Jan 22 09:03:25 sandalle mailing list integration Jan 22 09:03:26 Kinetix sandalle: I wouldn't consider any that we couldn't get an RSS newsfeed out of (heh), and the SMGL specific stuff, such as viewing packages, etc., is part of 'can we add this in to it ourselves' Jan 22 09:03:31 sandalle nntp? Jan 22 09:03:37 sandalle gmane might help with the latter two Jan 22 09:03:50 sandalle Kinetix, just listing them. :) Jan 22 09:04:11 simanyay license? only GPL? Jan 22 09:04:28 Kinetix sandalle: Yeah, just want to give my thoughts on things as they come up so people can see just how unreasonable I am. ;-) Jan 22 09:04:32 sandalle preferably GPL/LGPL, IMO Jan 22 09:04:37 sandalle Kinetix, :) Jan 22 09:05:02 rycee Kinetix: I have a midgard spell that builds ok btw. It just doesn't work :-) Jan 22 09:05:13 rycee Kinetix: It might have been because I used PHP 5. Jan 22 09:05:15 simanyay i'll be back in 10-15 minutes Jan 22 09:05:28 Kinetix sandalle: I'd think mailing list integration would be fairly down the list of priorities, only because mailman is probably the best tool for the job out there... though we could make our own mailman setup 'fit in' with the website better. Jan 22 09:06:21 Kinetix I think most CMS systems I've looked at that are worth considering are GPL or similar enough Jan 22 09:06:23 sandalle Kinetix, the ML integration is mainly to have a cohesive interface and NNTP Jan 22 09:06:30 simanyay i think we should look at ezPublish Jan 22 09:06:36 sandalle oh, and some people wanted the ML, forums, and NNTP to all be linked Jan 22 09:06:40 * simanyay si going on dinner Jan 22 09:06:41 sandalle i.e. post to one, the others see it Jan 22 09:07:15 Kinetix sandalle: I don't think that's a problem at all... we've gotta plan to move the sourcemage.org MX Jan 22 09:07:31 neuron That all is nice, but do we need it ? Jan 22 09:07:47 neuron I mean it will take serious time and effort to implement ... Jan 22 09:08:17 Kinetix I'd like to comment on something qnr brought up in #sourcemage... Jan 22 09:09:01 Kinetix What happens if I went off my (non-existant) meds one day and wanted to take everything down, or let's say I couldn't host the SMGL stuff any longer, or anything along those lines... Jan 22 09:09:14 sandalle neuron, it'd make our site look more "professiona" and cared for Jan 22 09:09:29 Kinetix Part of my role, as mentioned in my statement of intent to SM-Discuss, is that we need to work on our reliability. Jan 22 09:09:46 sandalle the distributed mirrors/round-robin? Jan 22 09:09:55 Kinetix Part of that will need to include backups of our important components, and part of that needs to be in mirroring. Jan 22 09:10:18 Kinetix If those things aren't listed as to-do's in the wiki currently, I'll add them in. Jan 22 09:11:09 benoit btw, I had an immediate question about mirroring Jan 22 09:11:09 Kinetix But even if I were to go beserk today - I would hope that each team has copies of all of their components, and I would create nothing more than a hassle. Jan 22 09:11:44 sandalle Kinetix, except for the bugzilla/forum/news databases Jan 22 09:11:48 Kinetix right Jan 22 09:11:53 benoit i used to operate a sourcemage mirror with rsync to ibiblio.org ... obviously, it's no longer working. what is the new setup? Jan 22 09:12:02 Kinetix benoit: sourcemage.org Jan 22 09:12:14 sandalle Kinetix, are we still rsyncing back to Ibiblio though? I thought we were. Jan 22 09:12:16 Kinetix benoit: And, on that, what were you mirroring? Jan 22 09:13:04 benoit Kinetix: everything that was available throught rsync, as stated on our mirror setup page Jan 22 09:13:11 Kinetix sandalle: Not that I'm aware of, unless afrayedknot or swoolley set it up Jan 22 09:13:34 afrayedknot ibiblio is not syncing back Jan 22 09:14:03 sandalle shouldn't we do so, as an extra redundancy, old URLs/sites, etc.? Jan 22 09:14:09 Kinetix benoit: yes, those components are all available via rsync now - was setup in the past week or so Jan 22 09:14:28 benoit Kinetix: so. we need to update the "mirror setup" page Jan 22 09:14:49 Kinetix sandalle: Might be an idea, but I would say that falls under 'backups', as obviously the database wouldn't be getting replicated (though I think we should start doing db dumps for backup purposes) Jan 22 09:15:09 sandalle Kinetix, agreed (on both) Jan 22 09:15:24 Kinetix benoit: Yes, actually that does... for now just pull the 'sourcemage/' part of the path out. Jan 22 09:16:34 Kinetix I guess lastly, I think the time frame for having everything switched over to the nonexistant new website would be, at the very worst, at least 2 weeks before 1.0 Jan 22 09:16:35 benoit Kinetix: ? what is replacing "ftp@ftp.ibiblio.org" ? Jan 22 09:16:55 Kinetix benoit: rsync sourcemage.org::whatever Jan 22 09:17:00 Kinetix no need for user@ Jan 22 09:17:07 benoit Kinetix: ok :-)) Jan 22 09:17:08 sandalle benoit, smgl-iso@sourcemage.org Jan 22 09:17:12 sandalle via ssh Jan 22 09:17:27 sandalle Kinetix, can you get it done by June/July? Jan 22 09:17:45 Kinetix sandalle: I'd like to see this done in maybe 8 weeks... Jan 22 09:17:57 sandalle oooh Jan 22 09:18:02 sandalle that'll be nice. :) Jan 22 09:18:55 Kinetix Though I'm sure I'll start getting a clearer timeline once real work gets under way. Jan 22 09:19:46 Kinetix Any questions? Jan 22 09:19:56 Kinetix No I have no plans to integrate reiser4 into the website. ;-P Jan 22 09:20:14 alley_cat :P Jan 22 09:21:15 sandalle aww. :( Jan 22 09:21:15 neuron Hehe :) Jan 22 09:21:18 sandalle sounds good. :) Jan 22 09:21:36 sandalle Kinetix, would you like me to do the gmane request now or wait, then? Jan 22 09:22:00 alley_cat if someone does the gmane stuff, remember to also upload the archives Jan 22 09:22:16 Kinetix sandalle: post a bug? ;-) Jan 22 09:22:34 sandalle Kinetix, roger. :) Jan 22 09:22:48 Kinetix Who's roger? Jan 22 09:23:10 dmlb2000|mobile roger Roger, over Under. Jan 22 09:23:23 dmlb2000|mobile That roger. ;) Jan 22 09:23:25 qnr and stop calling me shirley Jan 22 09:23:55 sandalle Any other questions/comments for the Web Team? Jan 22 09:24:03 sandalle ahh, wiki cleanup. :) Jan 22 09:24:17 sandalle will that wait for the new site as well? Jan 22 09:24:28 afrayedknot i had a question Jan 22 09:24:41 Kinetix sandalle: Clean up in what sense? Jan 22 09:24:50 Kinetix or, what needs to be cleaned? Jan 22 09:25:23 afrayedknot can we make sure our new site implements google's rel="nofollow" tag for url references? Jan 22 09:25:29 afrayedknot http://www.google.com/googleblog/ Jan 22 09:25:41 qnr updating or deleting old entries, according to the roadmap Jan 22 09:25:42 sandalle Kinetix, http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8068 Jan 22 09:25:57 afrayedknot or this, as a more permanent link http://www.google.com/googleblog/2005/01/preventing-comment-spam.html Jan 22 09:26:15 sandalle Kinetix, removing old/unused wiki entries, keeping the information up-to-date, securing the wiki so we don't get spam on it, etc. Jan 22 09:26:17 * ruskie (~ruskie@84.20.228.4) has joined #smgl-admin Jan 22 09:26:31 ruskie whoa many ppl here.... Jan 22 09:26:44 Kinetix afrayedknot: Will definitely look into that. Jan 22 09:27:10 afrayedknot can it go on the todo list so we dont forget or should i file a bug or something? Jan 22 09:27:59 afrayedknot i'll just file a bug Jan 22 09:28:06 Kinetix Should go on the todo list Jan 22 09:28:13 Kinetix i guess that works too Jan 22 09:29:05 Kinetix sandalle: I think a lot of that kind of clean up could come easily when moving the wiki into whatever new wiki system becomes the replacement... and yes, I think the wiki should be under access control too. Jan 22 09:29:32 benoit Kinetix: i vote yes for access control :-) Jan 22 09:30:37 * benoit has posted his ISO generation guide to the wiki Jan 22 09:30:46 sandalle benoit, URL? Jan 22 09:30:51 sandalle Kinetix, sounds good then Jan 22 09:30:54 sandalle any more questions? Jan 22 09:30:54 Kinetix Did I miss anything? Any further questions? Jan 22 09:31:05 afrayedknot bug filed Jan 22 09:31:12 afrayedknot http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8069 Jan 22 09:31:33 sandalle If not, I'd like to open this up for the last part: General Questions/Comments Jan 22 09:31:42 dmlb2000|mobile I have one. Jan 22 09:31:46 benoit sandalle: http://wiki.sourcemage.org/index.php?page=ISO+generation+guide Jan 22 09:31:51 sandalle benoit, thanks Jan 22 09:31:51 dmlb2000|mobile dmlb2000|server Jan 22 09:31:54 sandalle dmlb2000|mobile, go ahead Jan 22 09:31:56 dmlb2000|mobile new linux spell Jan 22 09:32:02 dmlb2000|mobile linux-new Jan 22 09:32:11 dmlb2000|mobile need feed back from you guys Jan 22 09:32:43 benoit dmlb2000|mobile: yep. Jan 22 09:32:46 dmlb2000|mobile dmlb2000|server Jan 22 09:32:58 sandalle dmlb2000|mobile, works great! But we need to clean up the look/wording, I think Jan 22 09:33:01 dmlb2000|mobile I have sandalle using it on a regular basis Jan 22 09:33:05 benoit dmlb2000|mobile: at your request, i'm volonteering to test it Jan 22 09:33:21 dmlb2000|mobile right I would like suggestions on the wording and look Jan 22 09:33:31 dmlb2000|mobile I'm no artist and I suck a writing Jan 22 09:33:46 dmlb2000|mobile so help on that stuff would be appreciated Jan 22 09:34:26 dmlb2000|mobile dmlb2000|server Jan 22 09:34:27 benoit dmlb2000|mobile: i'll test it with cross-install-root :-) Jan 22 09:34:33 sandalle dmlb2000|mobile, alley_cat, when do you think it'll be ready for test? Jan 22 09:34:39 dmlb2000|mobile benoit, thanks Jan 22 09:34:46 * benoit is waiting for some friends to come home Jan 22 09:36:05 alley_cat sandalle: imo it can go into test immediately to get wider testing, since it has a different name it won't hurt users that don't want to test it Jan 22 09:37:07 sandalle alley_cat, cool. :) It seems to work well, at least so far Jan 22 09:37:08 simanyay so what about eZ Publish? Jan 22 09:37:21 dmlb2000|mobile alley_cat, thanks I have to trim out the info dir before it goes into test, but everyone that tests it should take a look at the WIP file and the MAINTAINERS* file Jan 22 09:37:44 dmlb2000|mobile dmlb2000|server Jan 22 09:37:52 sandalle dmlb2000|mobile, we'd want to remove/rename the WIP file if we pull it into test Jan 22 09:38:02 sandalle simanyay, we haven't decided on a CMS yet Jan 22 09:38:11 dmlb2000|mobile sandalle, make it README then Jan 22 09:38:18 sandalle simanyay, Kinetix is going to look at what's available and see what fits our bill Jan 22 09:38:45 simanyay have you decided what do we need? Jan 22 09:39:09 * afrayedknot thinks simanyay wants to help Jan 22 09:39:27 * dmlb2000|mobile thinks we have a volunteer Jan 22 09:39:31 sandalle simanyay, yeah, Kinetix listed it above Jan 22 09:40:21 simanyay i can't find it :( Jan 22 09:41:38 * qnr points out that #smgl-tome has been vacant since Jason left, but I'm keeping the seats warm if the tome team decides they want to use it Jan 22 09:42:08 sandalle qnr, thanks Jan 22 09:42:13 qnr sure Jan 22 09:42:21 simanyay afrayedknot, I want to help, if needed :) Jan 22 09:42:27 sandalle simanyay, we'll have it posted on the wiki once Kinetix has a chance Jan 22 09:42:29 afrayedknot simanyay: you should Jan 22 09:42:37 sandalle simanyay, on http://wiki.sourcemage.org/index.php?page=SourceMageRoadMap Jan 22 09:42:44 sandalle Any other questions/comments? Jan 22 09:42:52 dmlb2000|mobile nope Jan 22 09:42:57 simanyay nope Jan 22 09:43:09 dmlb2000|mobile looks like I have something to do today ;) Jan 22 09:43:19 dmlb2000|mobile dmlb2000|server Jan 22 09:43:20 sandalle dmlb2000|mobile, :) Jan 22 09:43:44 sandalle If that's all I would like to thank everyone who showed up (especially you earl morning/late evening people). :) Jan 22 09:43:56 dmlb2000|mobile dmlb2000|server Jan 22 09:43:58 dmlb2000|mobile Done? Jan 22 09:44:00 sandalle I'll grab the log and post it on the wiki, unless dmlb2000|server beats me to it. :) Jan 22 09:44:11 dmlb2000|mobile go ahead Jan 22 09:44:29 * sandalle gives voice to ruskie Jan 22 09:44:40 simanyay ok... I should go now and I'll be back in 2 hours... If I can help I'll do my best. Just tell me via this chanell or via my email Jan 22 09:44:40 sandalle Enjoy the rest of the day everyone. :) Jan 22 09:44:43 * dmlb2000|mobile is taking a shower now Jan 22 09:44:48 simanyay thanks and bye everybody Jan 22 09:44:49 sandalle simanyay, probably #sourcemage Jan 22 09:44:52 sandalle bye simanyay Jan 22 09:45:05 simanyay yeah, I mean #sourcemage Jan 22 09:45:24 * afrayedknot is going away from the keyboard, if anyone want to chat do so now *** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 22 09:45:27 2005